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the 1988 election marked the only time a sitting, two-term president saw any kind of games. in addition, two-term presidents have one really bad midterm and not so bad. for instance, eisenhower did much better in his midterm than his second. truman's party kwuz much worse in '46 than it was in '50. republicans lost seven senate seats in -- lost a bunch of senate seats in '86 and the control but did better in the house. let's take a look at our next one. the two most recent examples of midterm. bill clinton lost 54 house seats and 8 senate seats. both parties said that the 98 result was due in part, maybe in hole, to the republican's backlash who seemed focused on the lew irksz nsky scandal. two republican midterms there. republicans gained ground in 2002, a 9/11 halo effect, if you will, before losing big in 2006. so what's behind the truth of this theory of the six-year itch? it seems logical that the pendulum would swing to both parties. but when you look at the case, there are extenuating circumstances. by the time his second midterm rolled around, harry truman was four m
the 1988 election marked the only time a sitting, two-term president saw any kind of games. in addition, two-term presidents have one really bad midterm and not so bad. for instance, eisenhower did much better in his midterm than his second. truman's party kwuz much worse in '46 than it was in '50. republicans lost seven senate seats in -- lost a bunch of senate seats in '86 and the control but did better in the house. let's take a look at our next one. the two most recent examples of midterm....
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that was double what it had been when he was first elected six years earlier. during the 2006 midterm the u.s. was three years into the iraq war and facing heavy sectarian violence. a combination that put -- what are the lebs for president obama and the democrats? should they worry about a six-year itch? i say maybe not so much. here's why. because in 2010 the party lost 63 seats in the house, six seats in the senate. president obama famously called it a shellacking and it was. there's reason to think will he do better. he limits his losses like reagan did or even add seats in the house like clinton. president obama is almost guaranteed to do better in the house. very hard frankly to do worse than what he did in his first midterm. then democrats have this anecdote. basically hold on to the control of the senate. president can declare partial victory for that. that was the importance of democrats adding two senate seats. sitting at 55. republicans had to win big winning six senate seats is big, and that's what they have to do to get control in 2014. the gaggle w
that was double what it had been when he was first elected six years earlier. during the 2006 midterm the u.s. was three years into the iraq war and facing heavy sectarian violence. a combination that put -- what are the lebs for president obama and the democrats? should they worry about a six-year itch? i say maybe not so much. here's why. because in 2010 the party lost 63 seats in the house, six seats in the senate. president obama famously called it a shellacking and it was. there's reason...
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up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> there's been a lot of talk about gun laws since the shootings in newtown, connecticut, one result seems to be increased support four tougher gun laws. 58% of americans polled say they want to see stricter gun laws as opposed to 34% who wants things kept the way they are. compare that to a year ago when only 43% wanted to see stricter laws. it's worth remembering, however, that support for tougher laws often spikes and then fades after mass shootings. of course, the nra always stands in the way of any new or reviewed restrictions, but, of course, we all know that. and we'll be right back. that support for tougher laws that support for tougher laws [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine yo
up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> there's been a lot of talk about gun laws since the shootings in newtown, connecticut, one result seems to be increased support four tougher gun laws. 58% of americans polled say they want to see stricter gun laws as opposed to 34% who wants things kept...
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you're re-elected. congratulations. you have a job. now work and do it. >> fiscally irresponsible decision trying to please everyone and you please no one at all. >> they've got to work together. >> they appear to be very self-centered. >> joining me now retired admiral and former democratic congressman joe sestak of pennsylvania and msnbc contributor and former bush/cheney senior adviser robert trainum. kelly o'donnell has just reported some of the latest information. we heard there was progress overnight and we understand vice president biden and republican leader mitch mcconnell exchanged phone calls until about midnight and their aides then continued to work and we've been reporting the various areas of progress including the fact that there seems to be agreement on a new income threshold of $450,000 a year. we know yesterday that the republicans backed off on social security but sequestration is the sticking point. of course democrats say they are arguing that the new revenue generated by tax increases, especially if reduced from
you're re-elected. congratulations. you have a job. now work and do it. >> fiscally irresponsible decision trying to please everyone and you please no one at all. >> they've got to work together. >> they appear to be very self-centered. >> joining me now retired admiral and former democratic congressman joe sestak of pennsylvania and msnbc contributor and former bush/cheney senior adviser robert trainum. kelly o'donnell has just reported some of the latest information....
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she sailed through the election with sky high ratings. and now she can do some of the biggest stuff about obesity, the biggest health challenge in this could be tri. >> i'm going to go with claire mchaskel. not only because she won her race, but also because she became the face of what republicans were doing. jonathan? >> i would say that the 47% were the winners of this election because they told mitt romney and the republican party to stuff it. they got off their lazied, unprincipled, immoral behinds and got out there and voted for president obama. >> crystal? >> i've got to go with the obvious one. president obama not just because he won and he won convincingly, his policies have been vindicated, health care has been upheld, his approval rating is raising. i mean, he truly was the big winner this year. >> i would go with johnny, with 47% or even more, the 99 pvnt. because i think that they showed political muscle. and police kal tenacity. a lot of people had said young people, plaques, latinos, gays would not come out. and i think they
she sailed through the election with sky high ratings. and now she can do some of the biggest stuff about obesity, the biggest health challenge in this could be tri. >> i'm going to go with claire mchaskel. not only because she won her race, but also because she became the face of what republicans were doing. jonathan? >> i would say that the 47% were the winners of this election because they told mitt romney and the republican party to stuff it. they got off their lazied,...
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it's the base that elected him. if he were to get immigration, he starts on a successful platform, and then maybe move to the other ones. >> there is incentive for republicans to cooperate on immigration. >> the sad thing for fiscal cliff is we'll be stuck in trench warfare for another couple of years. make sure you do it with a bush type comprehensive package. then you break the trench warfare. you get some from column a and column b, and then maybe you can do the things you want to do. the second big issue, the same thing for a coalition is tax reform. >> but the question tom raises when we're talking about guns, there's a larger approach. does he have more of an opportunity on gun control if there's a big mental health aspect to it, if there's more to it, tom? >> well, that's what i think. i think it has to be holistic. i'm not an assault weapon fan of any kind, but i know people who go out to the target ranges and feel strongly that they have a second amendment right to fire them off as many times as they want t
it's the base that elected him. if he were to get immigration, he starts on a successful platform, and then maybe move to the other ones. >> there is incentive for republicans to cooperate on immigration. >> the sad thing for fiscal cliff is we'll be stuck in trench warfare for another couple of years. make sure you do it with a bush type comprehensive package. then you break the trench warfare. you get some from column a and column b, and then maybe you can do the things you want...
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a new the die found the long lines in central florida on election day discouraged as many as 49,000 people from voting. on "meet the press" nbc's tom brokaw says there's a simple explanation for what's wrong with our elections and the lawmakers sent to washington. >> the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts which which they are bullet proof. >> as 2012 comes to an end the 112th congress will go down in history as the most unproductive in 60 years. 219 bills have been passed. that's compared to 383 bills passed by the last congress. 460 by the one before that. >>> despite that terrible record president obama has signed an executive order giving returning members of congress up to a 1% raise ending a pay freeze going back to 2009. >>> the nature did put in some extra working hours last night but there was some grumbling. one senator said quote this is definitely not a kumbaya moment. and that's your morning dish of scrambled politics. for your new year's eve weather we turn to bill karins. happy new year's eve morning. >> it's a big day, right? >> it is
a new the die found the long lines in central florida on election day discouraged as many as 49,000 people from voting. on "meet the press" nbc's tom brokaw says there's a simple explanation for what's wrong with our elections and the lawmakers sent to washington. >> the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts which which they are bullet proof. >> as 2012 comes to an end the 112th congress will go down in history as the most unproductive...
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in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right? there are 4 % who are with him, who are dependent on him, and believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >> not only was this unbelievably divisive in a country that likes to think of itself as one country, but it was critically important that it was caught on surreptitious video. if this is something he had said in public, it would have been a big gaffe, but not as big as seeing it on that video where the voter is thinking ah-ha, now i'm seeing the real mitt romney, not the one in the packaging. >> and not just that, the setting, that he was speaking to wealthy donors who he could be candid with. it was like the true mitt romney talking
in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right? there are 4 % who are with him, who are dependent on him, and believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was...
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in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. there. >> are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right there are 47% with him who believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >> not only was this unbelievably devicive in a country that likes to think of itself as one country, but it was critically important that it was caught on surruptious video. if this is something he had said in public, it would have been a big gaffe, but not as big as seeing it on that video where the voter is thinking ah-ha, now i'm seeing the real mitt romney, not one in the imagining. >> and not just that, the setting, that he was speaking to wealthy donors who he could be candid with. it was like the true mitt romney talking to his people in this setting. just so illustrative of
in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. there. >> are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right there are 47% with him who believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >>...
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this is what we adjudicated in the election. but on the retail side, as tom says, all evidence suggests he has not been the warmest and fuzziest of cajolers. and you have to do both. and you can't just be right on the idea. you do have to sell this. and even the greatest presidents, let's be clear, ronald reagan and bill clinton, they sold their initial deals in the first year. and it was close. it was one, two, three votes. it was very tight. but they did it, and they pushed and they pushed on both the wholesale and retail side. >> i don't think you can have the congressmen over too often. i think they should be there sleeping with you if you want them to be. >> well, that could have some people in trouble. >> i didn't quite mean that. >> you know, the civil war era, doris -- >> but i think he finally has made it sufficient at least that the inside game didn't work. >> but let's make sure we are about to come up on the most -- the least productive congress in history. we have it in mathematical terms. we have 218 bills this con
this is what we adjudicated in the election. but on the retail side, as tom says, all evidence suggests he has not been the warmest and fuzziest of cajolers. and you have to do both. and you can't just be right on the idea. you do have to sell this. and even the greatest presidents, let's be clear, ronald reagan and bill clinton, they sold their initial deals in the first year. and it was close. it was one, two, three votes. it was very tight. but they did it, and they pushed and they pushed on...
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had they not done this, i think it would have been a much closer election. but people took it personal and i think it really became a tipping point in the election. >> yeah, nothing makes someone want to vote than saying you can't vote. then you will do whatever it takes. >> and to take something from people that was earned and gained with such sacrifice. >>> now it's time for a lightning round. quick answers, please. you hear me, richard? quick answers. [ laughter ] >> the spot light award. this revvie goes to the moment that defined the 2012 campaign, the moment. quick, jonathan? >> it has to be 47%, the 47% video. >> health care law upheld. >> richard? >> hurricane sandy. >> hurricane sandy? all right. >> i'll have to go 47 pnt. that was the moment. >> no questions, 47%. so that's the one that's got, so far, the most consensus. everyone else, we disagree. >> bring the music on. >> we have a lot more revvie awards to come. stick around, we'll be right back. >> the revvies will return with paul ryan, hillary clinton and the best and worst political ideas of
had they not done this, i think it would have been a much closer election. but people took it personal and i think it really became a tipping point in the election. >> yeah, nothing makes someone want to vote than saying you can't vote. then you will do whatever it takes. >> and to take something from people that was earned and gained with such sacrifice. >>> now it's time for a lightning round. quick answers, please. you hear me, richard? quick answers. [ laughter ]...
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so what that etch-a-sketch comment did, it almost cost them the election right there. it prevented them from scampering back to the ish shoe. it didn't allow romney the running room he needed. >> i also say i don't believe a word that i spoke since running for president. here's one for you, ken. if one crystallized the overwhelm trouble, it was this. take a look at number 6. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down. >> let's start with the first part. if it's a legitimate rape? what did that mean? >> what it meant was absolutely unjustifiable. and it was the reason, the potential for todd aiken to go off the reservation and prepare to hit him on. it shows why democrats wanted him to be the nominee to the point where they advertise democratic super pacts in his primary for the republican nomination to run against claire mccaskell to say todd aken is too conservative. he is opposed to abortion. hey, this sounds like our kind of guy. >> you know, canadian
so what that etch-a-sketch comment did, it almost cost them the election right there. it prevented them from scampering back to the ish shoe. it didn't allow romney the running room he needed. >> i also say i don't believe a word that i spoke since running for president. here's one for you, ken. if one crystallized the overwhelm trouble, it was this. take a look at number 6. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the...
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this is what we adjudicated in the election. but on the retail side, as tom says, all evidence suggests he has not been the warmest and fuzziest of cajolers. and you have to do both. and you can't just be right on the idea. you do have to sell this. and even the greatest presidents, let's be clear, ronald reagan and bill clinton, they sold their initial deals in the first year. and it was close. it was one, two, three votes. it was very tight. but they did it, and they pushed and they pushed on both the wholesale and retail side. >> i don't think you can have the congressmen over too often. i think they should be there sleeping with you if you want them to be. >> well, that could have some people in trouble. >> i didn't quite mean that. >> you know, the civil war era, doris -- >> but i think he finally has made it sufficient at least that the inside game didn't work. >> but let's make sure we are about to come up on the most -- the least productive congress in history. we have 218 bills this congress has passed. the lowest numbe
this is what we adjudicated in the election. but on the retail side, as tom says, all evidence suggests he has not been the warmest and fuzziest of cajolers. and you have to do both. and you can't just be right on the idea. you do have to sell this. and even the greatest presidents, let's be clear, ronald reagan and bill clinton, they sold their initial deals in the first year. and it was close. it was one, two, three votes. it was very tight. but they did it, and they pushed and they pushed on...
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this was a very big moment in the election. obviously democrats would have rallied behind the president either way, but to have this upheld for the president was key. >>> you also list -- that moment that we can't forget, though, has clint eastwood at the rnc, there he is, talking to the chair. >> we're going to look back on the conventions, and all we're going to remember is clint oozewood in the chair. this was during a very strong period for the president. the speech he gave himself at the president was not the longest ever, but a very good week, president clinton gave a great speech that rallied the crowd, as did first lady michelle obama for romney, that was a tough week, with clint eastwood and the chair, and that dominated the headlines. so it looked like the president had -- that was because, of course, before he ran into some turbulence. >> talk about that debate. those on the left were very surprised, those on the right also. >> absolutely. this was a key moment in the campaign where it lookedly maybe romney would be
this was a very big moment in the election. obviously democrats would have rallied behind the president either way, but to have this upheld for the president was key. >>> you also list -- that moment that we can't forget, though, has clint eastwood at the rnc, there he is, talking to the chair. >> we're going to look back on the conventions, and all we're going to remember is clint oozewood in the chair. this was during a very strong period for the president. the speech he gave...
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that's the base that elected him. he starts on a success flt platform and then maybe moves. >> i'll make sure you can do it so you get the george w. bush republicans on your side. then you break the trench warfare. >> the question is there's a larger approach. does he have more of an opportunity on gun control if there's a big mental health aspect to it if there's more to it. >> that's what i think. i think it has to be holistic. the fact of the matter is -- i'm not an assault weapon fan of any kind. but i know people bwho go out t the target ranges and feel they have a second amendment right to fire them off as often as they want to. so sportsmen, people who have weapons for hunting deer or big game or birds, as i do, and other people, have to become part of this debate, as well, and say, look, there's got to be limits of some kind. i've even talked to people who are gun owners saying why couldn't you have a club where they actually own the assault weapons. if you want to shoot it for target practice, you have to go,
that's the base that elected him. he starts on a success flt platform and then maybe moves. >> i'll make sure you can do it so you get the george w. bush republicans on your side. then you break the trench warfare. >> the question is there's a larger approach. does he have more of an opportunity on gun control if there's a big mental health aspect to it if there's more to it. >> that's what i think. i think it has to be holistic. the fact of the matter is -- i'm not an assault...
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>> i would. >> and safer politically for an election in a general election given the fact people normally want to switch parties every eight years. you don't want to run as a xerox of obama. your thoughts. >> i do think she's to the right on foreign policy. i think what's going to be really interesting is seeing where she is economically. she's been very savvy about using economic statecraft to advance foreign policy goals for the u.s. it will be interesting to see what she brings to the economic debate because i think that's still going to be a debate in the next election. jobs. how to grow, how to get the country back on track. it will be really interesting to see where it comes off. >> i have you as a feminist, everybody is a feminist right now. it's a good position to be in politically. do you think she will have an unusually high draw among women voters? and that's maybe a dumb question, but could she get up to 65% or 70% of the women voters as opposed to 55%. >> that would be a high number. if anybody can do it, she can. i see her having tremendous strength there, and that's a demog
>> i would. >> and safer politically for an election in a general election given the fact people normally want to switch parties every eight years. you don't want to run as a xerox of obama. your thoughts. >> i do think she's to the right on foreign policy. i think what's going to be really interesting is seeing where she is economically. she's been very savvy about using economic statecraft to advance foreign policy goals for the u.s. it will be interesting to see what she...
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because she sailed through the election with sky high ratings. and because now she can actually do some of the bigger stuff about obesity, the biggest public health challenge in this country, frankly the western world. she can now do what she wants. >> i'm going with claire mccaskill. not just because she won her race -- thank you todd akin -- but because she showed the face of what. i think claire mccaskill really came out winning. >> jonathan? >> i would say that the 47% were the winners of this election. because they told mitt romney and the republican party to stuff it. they got off their lazy, unprincipled, immoral behinds and got out there and voted for president obama. >> krystal? >> i got to go with the obvious one, president obama. not just because he won and won convincingly, his policies have been vindicated, health care has been upheld, his approval rating is rising. he's likely to now oversee a recovery. i mean, he really truly was the big winner this year. >> i would go with jonathan with the 47% or even more. the 99%. because i thi
because she sailed through the election with sky high ratings. and because now she can actually do some of the bigger stuff about obesity, the biggest public health challenge in this country, frankly the western world. she can now do what she wants. >> i'm going with claire mccaskill. not just because she won her race -- thank you todd akin -- but because she showed the face of what. i think claire mccaskill really came out winning. >> jonathan? >> i would say that the 47%...
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in 2005 after bush's re-election, tim cain beat kilgore. during president obama's difficult first year in office. and in an off-year election with turnout expected of 40%, the electorate is expected to be wider, older and conservative but will it be conservative enough to elect a ken kuchinelli? by the way, thinking of hillary's presidential campaign, send your resume to terry mcauliffe. in new jersey, where the governor's race is about chris christie and 2016 hoping to scare off any serious competition and building a pl platform and run for second term and presidential ambitions shaped in handling hurricane sandy effort. will christie that declared now's not my time in the fall of 2011 make moves in 2013 toward a presidential bid? watch him for clues. i can tell you. people close to christie believe the biggest mistake of mitt romney is not seeking a second term in massachusetts. they believe the best shot of becoming the nominee in 2016 is winning in new jersey in 2013. we have a gaggle of campaign veterans and political junkies joining u
in 2005 after bush's re-election, tim cain beat kilgore. during president obama's difficult first year in office. and in an off-year election with turnout expected of 40%, the electorate is expected to be wider, older and conservative but will it be conservative enough to elect a ken kuchinelli? by the way, thinking of hillary's presidential campaign, send your resume to terry mcauliffe. in new jersey, where the governor's race is about chris christie and 2016 hoping to scare off any serious...
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>> my trump award goes to karl rove, on election night, on politics, election night he had no idea what was going on. and on policy, this was the year when we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy of trying to write state legislation into the constitution against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party is turning against that, and that will be his legacy sadly for him on this legislative issue. >> and for years, i've said the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. and once again i will give it to donald trump because i find it impossible to outdo donald trump on embarrassing yourself. there are a couple of people who tried, they tried really hard to outdo donald trump. let's take a look, for example, at todd aken. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that is really rare, if it is a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> and just when you thought he had that whole jurisdiction wrapped up, there came richard murdoch, who we should take a look at. >> i think when life begins in that
>> my trump award goes to karl rove, on election night, on politics, election night he had no idea what was going on. and on policy, this was the year when we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy of trying to write state legislation into the constitution against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party is turning against that, and that will be his legacy sadly for him on this legislative issue. >> and for years, i've said the donald trump...
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so do republicans want immigration reform before the next election? do they want to dig out of the hole they're in with hispanic voters? so there is some mutual interest. i think that gun fight is going to be very difficult but i think that's something that we're going to see, if it doesn't happen this year it may happen the next year or the year after. it is just something that i think the president will want to leave office having achieved. so nothing is going to be easy. we'll have very many brinks, you know, and a lot of fighting over principles which is not a bad thing but i think ultimately a lot of these issues will be addressed. >> david, sequestration was pushed off for two months meaning we'll have to have this fight all over again in a few short weeks. if that's the case how long will president obama realistically have to deal with gun control and immigration not to mention his plans for infrastructure and even green energy? >> that's the problem. if you remember, right after the election, after latinos came out and overwhelming numbers to
so do republicans want immigration reform before the next election? do they want to dig out of the hole they're in with hispanic voters? so there is some mutual interest. i think that gun fight is going to be very difficult but i think that's something that we're going to see, if it doesn't happen this year it may happen the next year or the year after. it is just something that i think the president will want to leave office having achieved. so nothing is going to be easy. we'll have very many...
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i mean, we lost the election. elections have consequences. we're not going to get everything we want. but we need to focus on the real issue of our debt and deficit. instead of focusing on the power of who's in charge in the republican party and the democratic party and who's winning of the two parties? >> let me ask you, you're focusing on the deficit here. if we do nothing with if there's no deal in the next few days, and we do nothing in the first few weeks and there's no patch in the first few weeks of the new year the deficit problem basically solves itself, doesn't it? >> well, i mean, we're not -- we have over $1 trillion deficit every year. over a trillion dollars. it's not sustainable. >> but doesn't -- i'm saying, if we -- all of these issues, with all the bush tax cuts going away, the sequester, payroll tax expiring, the estate tax, if we do all the stuff that the fiscal cliff or the fiscal curb, whatever you call it does, the deficit problem is solved? >> no. i have no idea what the specific number is but i know we're over $16 tri
i mean, we lost the election. elections have consequences. we're not going to get everything we want. but we need to focus on the real issue of our debt and deficit. instead of focusing on the power of who's in charge in the republican party and the democratic party and who's winning of the two parties? >> let me ask you, you're focusing on the deficit here. if we do nothing with if there's no deal in the next few days, and we do nothing in the first few weeks and there's no patch in the...
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will it be conservative enough to elect ken kutch anele. speaking of the campaign, if you're thinking of working on hillary's presidential campaign, you're supposed to send your resumf to terry mccullough. in new jersey, where the governor's race is all about one man, chris christie and 2016. he hopes to scare off any serious democratic competition while building a platform for future political success. both his run for a second term and his presidential ambitions will be shaped on how he managed hurricane sandy's recovery effort. will christie who famously declared now is not my time in december, make a presidential bid. watch the garden state if clues. he believes the biggest mistake romney made in 2006 was not trying to seek a second term in massachusetts. trying to avoid that. they believe their best shot at becoming the nominee in 2016 is winning the re-election in new jersey in 2015. we have a gaggle of campaign junkies joining us. stephanie madden, plus crystal, and perry bacon. they'll all be here next. we made a list, checked it tw
will it be conservative enough to elect ken kutch anele. speaking of the campaign, if you're thinking of working on hillary's presidential campaign, you're supposed to send your resumf to terry mccullough. in new jersey, where the governor's race is all about one man, chris christie and 2016. he hopes to scare off any serious democratic competition while building a platform for future political success. both his run for a second term and his presidential ambitions will be shaped on how he...
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. >> i think -- i could give you a long speech about the way that we elect partisans to office. most of america is in the center. they want us to work together. they want us to get along. unfortunately, due to the way we draw districts and the way primaries are held, we end up generally electing people from the more extreme of the party rather than people from the center that can work together and get along. that's always been a problem in congress. it's only gotten worse in recent years. and as far as productivity, it has to do with divided government. we're not getting along very well because of what i've described. and moving forward, that is the political dynamic. we're going to have the same situation in the new congress that we have in this congress. president obama is still president. the senate is controlled by democrats, the republicans control the house. they have to find a way to work together for the good of the country. >> well, we can only hope so. congressman jason altmire, thank you so much. good luck, sir. happy new year. >> thank you. happy new year. >>> the pa
. >> i think -- i could give you a long speech about the way that we elect partisans to office. most of america is in the center. they want us to work together. they want us to get along. unfortunately, due to the way we draw districts and the way primaries are held, we end up generally electing people from the more extreme of the party rather than people from the center that can work together and get along. that's always been a problem in congress. it's only gotten worse in recent years....
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he won the election and people from the very red districts elected in the house simply have not adapted to that reality. >> let me go to jonathan chait and the primal scream and the election president obama won, but you wouldn't know this in washington. doesn't it feel sometimes like one side experienced maybe a different election? >> they did. for the house republicans, they don't have to worry about public opinion. the house republicans got fewer votes than house democrats, but the house republicans won anyway because the districts are drawn in such a way the vast majority of republicans are insulated from public opinion. this conversation we're having of what do the republicans have to do to win back middle america, that's not relevant to them. the only thing they have to worry about is a tea party challenger. that's the only way these guys are going to lose. that's point number one. point number two, no evidence the republican party really wants to cut the main entitlement programs like social security and medicare. the ryan -- >> wait, that's an important point. despite having talk
he won the election and people from the very red districts elected in the house simply have not adapted to that reality. >> let me go to jonathan chait and the primal scream and the election president obama won, but you wouldn't know this in washington. doesn't it feel sometimes like one side experienced maybe a different election? >> they did. for the house republicans, they don't have to worry about public opinion. the house republicans got fewer votes than house democrats, but...
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on "meet the press" tom brokaw says there's a simple explanation for what's wrong with our election and lawmakers sent to washington. >> the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerry mandered districts in which they are bullet proof. >> as 2012 comes to an end. the 112th congress will go down in history as the most unproductive in 60 years, only 219 bills have been passed and has become law compared to 380 bills passed by the last congress, 460 by the one before that. >>> despite that terrible record president obama has signed an executive order giving returning members of congress a 1% raise. >>> and the senate did put in some extra work hours last night but there was some glumbling. one senator said quote this is definitely not a kunbaya moment. >>> now for a look at your new year's eve weather let's turn to bill karins. happy new year's eve morning. >> big day, right? >> it is. going to be a cold one. >> maybe not for i but for everyone it's a cold. a little bit of snow to talk about. no big blockbuster snowstorms. the cold air is the story. easily be the coldest week
on "meet the press" tom brokaw says there's a simple explanation for what's wrong with our election and lawmakers sent to washington. >> the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerry mandered districts in which they are bullet proof. >> as 2012 comes to an end. the 112th congress will go down in history as the most unproductive in 60 years, only 219 bills have been passed and has become law compared to 380 bills passed by the last congress, 460 by the one...
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on politics on election night he had no idea what was going on. on policy this was if year we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy to go against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party are turning against that. that's going to be hig his legacy sadly for a long time. >> for 20 years on the show the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. once again, i feel i will be giving it to donald trump because i do find it impossible to updo donald trump on embarrassing yourself. there are a couple of people who tried. they trooid really hard to outdo donald trump. let's take a look at, for example, todd akin. >> yeah. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> just when you thought he had that whole jurisdiction wrapped up, there came richard murdoch who we should also take a look at. >> i think even when life begins in that horrible situation in rape, that it is something that god intend
on politics on election night he had no idea what was going on. on policy this was if year we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy to go against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party are turning against that. that's going to be hig his legacy sadly for a long time. >> for 20 years on the show the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. once again, i feel i will be giving it to donald trump because i do find it impossible to updo donald...
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if he got re-elected. second dirty secret is you can't get any of this through the house. if you think you can, then you're smoking something terrible that's probably illegal. and here's the problem. if you want -- if you really -- if the president really and truly wants to get gun control or gun safety as i like to call it through both chambers, bring the parents, bring the living children from sandy hook elementary to the capitol. the safest building in the country, by the way, after 9/11 and after that guy that came out and shot two capitol police officers. bring them into the capitol and say look those kids in the eyes and say tell them you're want going to do it. the best way to get something through congress is to guilt members of congress. it only works that way. the senate will do something. >> but like the president -- go ahead. >> i was going to say, i think it's important and smart, though, to note that the president is not just out there saying we need to do gun kreel. quite to the opposite. he
if he got re-elected. second dirty secret is you can't get any of this through the house. if you think you can, then you're smoking something terrible that's probably illegal. and here's the problem. if you want -- if you really -- if the president really and truly wants to get gun control or gun safety as i like to call it through both chambers, bring the parents, bring the living children from sandy hook elementary to the capitol. the safest building in the country, by the way, after 9/11 and...
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we had an election a few months ago, as you well know, chris. you covered it so much on top of the ball, and a lot of folks thought, okay, that election was going to answer a lot of questions. the president won, he won by 4 million votes. that is sort of the idea where the country is moving. when we do stories, we do those men on the street, and everyone sort of post-election has had this idea of it's time for shared sacrifice. we understand there's going to be some tough decisions made. we're going to have to give. that message has not resonated too much with house republicans specifically here in washington, d.c. they're negotiating very hard until the end because that has been their tactic in every single one of these fights with president obama. from talking to republicans, they don't think that president obama is a good negotiator. one of them told me earlier he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. that's why biden is here on capitol hill. so with that mindset, they're moving forward in these talks and they're more than happy to h
we had an election a few months ago, as you well know, chris. you covered it so much on top of the ball, and a lot of folks thought, okay, that election was going to answer a lot of questions. the president won, he won by 4 million votes. that is sort of the idea where the country is moving. when we do stories, we do those men on the street, and everyone sort of post-election has had this idea of it's time for shared sacrifice. we understand there's going to be some tough decisions made. we're...
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>> my trump award goes to karl rove, on election night, on politics, election night he had no idea what was going on. and on policy, this was the year when we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy of trying to write state legislation into the constitution against people who happen to be gay. and the republican party is turning against that. and that will be his legacy for a long time, sadly in the legislative issue. >> and for years, i've said the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. and once again i will give it to donald trump because i find it impossible to outdo donald trump on embarrassing yourself. there are a couple of people who tried, they tried really hard to outdo donald trump. let's take a look, for example, at todd akin. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that is really rare, if it is a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> and just when you thought he had that whole jurisdiction wrapped up, there came richard murdoch, who we should take a look at. >> i think that when rape occurs, life
>> my trump award goes to karl rove, on election night, on politics, election night he had no idea what was going on. and on policy, this was the year when we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy of trying to write state legislation into the constitution against people who happen to be gay. and the republican party is turning against that. and that will be his legacy for a long time, sadly in the legislative issue. >> and for years, i've said the donald trump award...
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problem when it comes to being re-elected speaker. as a politician you start dealing with re-election you're dealing with some very serious emotional problems. and i just hope that as we go home, we've been home for the holidays, we listen to the religious leaders, the people that are really dependent on social security and health care, if we listen to the people who put us in office and those who supported the president, we should be rational in coming back to the table and trying to hold on to this much credibility if we have any left at all and get this job done. >> there it is. rational and perhaps even rational exuberance like the market. congressman charlie rangel, thank you so much, my friend. >> thank you, doctor. >>> now let's turn to msnbc political analyst richard wolff, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com. my friend, there's more movement today than we've seen in a while, but is this just the optics? are they really trying to save face literally or is there something substantive in the offing here? >> more mov
problem when it comes to being re-elected speaker. as a politician you start dealing with re-election you're dealing with some very serious emotional problems. and i just hope that as we go home, we've been home for the holidays, we listen to the religious leaders, the people that are really dependent on social security and health care, if we listen to the people who put us in office and those who supported the president, we should be rational in coming back to the table and trying to hold on...
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are these things post-election things that republicans can get behind? because we just had an election and here we are, you know, a month and a half later, and we're at the same place with the fiscal cliff that i feel like we were six months ago! >> yeah, well, we've been here, done this, but i think it is possible, i think immigration reform, because it's good for everybody politically as well as for the country. but you know, the frustration i think is this all -- the republicans should have captured this message day one of obama's presidency. they should have said, no, not health care, jobs. they should have said, no, not health care, let's get the debt and deficit down. i mean, we sort of ceded this fight to the point of where we are now, and instead of capturing issues for our party, we could have been doing things by now. which now we're in this sort of standoff -- >> and your reaction -- >> and our brand is so tarnished from all the fighting that, you know, we've got to recapture our brand before we can even figure a way to compromise and be a par
are these things post-election things that republicans can get behind? because we just had an election and here we are, you know, a month and a half later, and we're at the same place with the fiscal cliff that i feel like we were six months ago! >> yeah, well, we've been here, done this, but i think it is possible, i think immigration reform, because it's good for everybody politically as well as for the country. but you know, the frustration i think is this all -- the republicans should...
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you elected to the senate in 2010. you haven't been there all that long. certainly compared to everyone else there. are you surprised, amazed? what is your read-out that we are where we are on this? i'm looking at the clock. 10:47:50. the fact that we have a countdown clock for something that has been months in the making, what does it say about the senate and the house and congress's ability to tackle big issues, and if the american people are skeptical about that very thing, do they have a right to be? >> yes. absolutely. the folks who i hear from, delawareans who are calling me, e-mailing me, sending me responses to a position paper, a white paper that i put out on the fiscal cliff weeks ago, uniformly say why can't you all get along? why can't you reach a reasonable compromise? delaware's political culture is one where we pass balanced budgeted on time every year at the city, county, and state level. unlike many other states where they have months and months of wrangling passed their constitutional deadlines. ours is a representative system. the house
you elected to the senate in 2010. you haven't been there all that long. certainly compared to everyone else there. are you surprised, amazed? what is your read-out that we are where we are on this? i'm looking at the clock. 10:47:50. the fact that we have a countdown clock for something that has been months in the making, what does it say about the senate and the house and congress's ability to tackle big issues, and if the american people are skeptical about that very thing, do they have a...
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this could be a watershed election if the republicans don't respond in the correct way. >> one of the interesting things -- and i wonder if rick in thinking all this out, if what you all made of this -- is, you know, fdr had this legacy. you still had people -- hubert humphrey was still running in 1 1968 as an fdr democrat. one question i have is, is this wave of democrats, and is obama himself a sui generous figure or is he a kiclintonian figure? >> i addressed some of this. the "r" word, realignment, is something that people are talking about. there was a reagan realignment, and basically you could argue that this is finally the end of the reagan realignment, and there's a kind of obama realignment now. so the question is, is this realignment inheritable? one of the things michael discovered with all of the work that he did with the numbers crunchers is that they started to find in the last six or seven weeks of the campaign these supposedly undecided people who didn't like politics, didn't like realms, didn't like democrats. you know what? they like barack obama. they saw him as so
this could be a watershed election if the republicans don't respond in the correct way. >> one of the interesting things -- and i wonder if rick in thinking all this out, if what you all made of this -- is, you know, fdr had this legacy. you still had people -- hubert humphrey was still running in 1 1968 as an fdr democrat. one question i have is, is this wave of democrats, and is obama himself a sui generous figure or is he a kiclintonian figure? >> i addressed some of this. the...
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what i look at is who is up for re-election on the democratic side and the republican side in 2014. if you look at those democrats, the ones that aren't going to retire, they're vulnerable, every single one of them. they ought to be, every one of them, thrilled with what the president just did. >> that's not exactly true. it was maybe 10, 20 years ago, but there's only -- there used to be 100 swing seats out there for democrats -- >> not now. >> now it's 25. so you have these members who go back to their districts, and -- >> i'm talking about the senate. >> on the senate -- >> the house is irrelevant to this issue. >> from the american people's point of view they don't really care about 2014. they care about what's going to happen in the few hours from now. >> angela, let me bring you in on this, the theory out there that what the president did today wasn't so much about clubbing republicans over the head as it was quelling growing resistance within the democratic party and on the pro -- within the progressive base to a deal that was emerging they thought was a bad deal from their p
what i look at is who is up for re-election on the democratic side and the republican side in 2014. if you look at those democrats, the ones that aren't going to retire, they're vulnerable, every single one of them. they ought to be, every one of them, thrilled with what the president just did. >> that's not exactly true. it was maybe 10, 20 years ago, but there's only -- there used to be 100 swing seats out there for democrats -- >> not now. >> now it's 25. so you have these...
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he and eisenhower had such a feud after the 1952 election. until the kennedy assassination. they find themselves sharing a ride together back from the funeral. in that atmosphere, that's when you bury the hatchet. truman said, you want to come up for a drink? and the two end up spending the afternoon and evening drinking together and reuniting. >> and in this what do i do now moment as presidents explains after they leave they're so much more forgiving of those who come after them. like he said, i don't believe our country should undermine our president. that's an astonishing thing in our day and age for a republican president to say about a democratic president, yet he said that. it's very much similar to to what ike said about kennedy. in some ways what reagan even said about carter. so -- at moments. so that's really astonishing understanding, sympathy. >> so let's talk about some of the things that this book uncovers. i can't wait to get doris' take on this. we have to start with the lbj/nixon interaction. and it's sort of like two people holding guns at each other's fac
he and eisenhower had such a feud after the 1952 election. until the kennedy assassination. they find themselves sharing a ride together back from the funeral. in that atmosphere, that's when you bury the hatchet. truman said, you want to come up for a drink? and the two end up spending the afternoon and evening drinking together and reuniting. >> and in this what do i do now moment as presidents explains after they leave they're so much more forgiving of those who come after them. like...
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after the election, and barack obama won re-election pretty handily, as it turned out, after the republicans threw everything they had at him, after mcconnell said his top priority, as barney frank mentioned a few moments ago was to make barack obama a one-term president, wasn't to fix the economy, it was to make barack obama a one-term president, obama took all of that, he won. there was a sense in washington, among some people, i guess, i would call them sort of naive people, that the republicans might have learned something from that and might come to the table. but i'm afraid that, chris, they've learned precisely the opposite, that they're just going to double down in their opposition and that's what we're seeing so far with the failure to have a resolution to these fiscal cliff negotiations. john boehner -- >> but mitch mcconnell did reach ute to the president. do you see that as posturing, we're doing our best, or do you think the republicans are serious and feeling pressure about making a deal? >> i don't think they feel that much pressure. i think they feel -- they feel a little bit
after the election, and barack obama won re-election pretty handily, as it turned out, after the republicans threw everything they had at him, after mcconnell said his top priority, as barney frank mentioned a few moments ago was to make barack obama a one-term president, wasn't to fix the economy, it was to make barack obama a one-term president, obama took all of that, he won. there was a sense in washington, among some people, i guess, i would call them sort of naive people, that the...
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they voted in the presidential election and re-elected a president who said that was his criteria. but the president understands this is a process where compromise is necessary. the house of representatives, controlled by the republicans, clearly has indicated that a million dollars was not acceptable to it in the united states senate. clearly, mitch mcconnell controls the ability under the senate rules of the legislation to move forward. so the president simply is saying, look. i don't want taxes to go up on working americans. i want to make sure that the unemployed have some help going forward and we need to move on those two issues. he is prepared to compromise and has been willing to compromise and, in fact, has compromised throughout the last two years. do some democrats not like that? yes, i think that is the case. i frank liam not enthusiastic about the compromise being talked about today. >> would you vote yes on it? >> we'll have to see what the final product is. but i think we need to get to compromise. we need to move forward. nobody wants to go over this cliff. going ov
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, you begin running for re-election immediately. >> yes. and not only that, in the senate, the key thing here is that mitch mcconnell needs to be a player because john boehner has kept tized him to do this, he's up for re-election in 2014. he has to consider that prospect as well. >> depply doug. >>> coming up, kurt andersen will be here. also, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and nbc white house correspondent, chuck todd. also, the lives they live. this sunday's "new york times" magazine profiles the memorable people and in some cases places that we lost in 2012. john kelly joins us for a look back at those who passed. >>> up next, mike allen with the "politico playbook." first is dylan drier tracking the winter storm. >> this storm is a big one. it affected the whole eastern third of the country for several days right through that all-important holiday for travelers. that certainly did wreak havoc on the airports. we ended up with more than a foot of snow in some areas, especially back into ohio, pennsylvania and new york state. gra
, you begin running for re-election immediately. >> yes. and not only that, in the senate, the key thing here is that mitch mcconnell needs to be a player because john boehner has kept tized him to do this, he's up for re-election in 2014. he has to consider that prospect as well. >> depply doug. >>> coming up, kurt andersen will be here. also, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and nbc white house correspondent, chuck todd. also, the lives they live. this...